Thank you for sharing your pov. I agree that rpg’s are far more mailable than a computer game, but sometimes it just nice to pick up a controller and kill some S**t and not have to think while venting a hard days work. and you can get killed any number of times and just pick up where you left off when you hit the restart button. no emotional investment required.
the closest rpg game i have played is fable2 for xbox360, which i love, but i have never played in on xbox live. but i can totally see your point about limited creativity. i mean, there are tons of things i’d love my fable hero to do…but she can’t. which is a major bummer.
i have never played a pen and paper rgp either.
i’d like to; but the drawback to this is that none of my friends are as nerdy or as geeky as i am. your imagery of everyone sitting around the table laughing and killing is a powerful one, but i’d be sitting at the table, uh, playing with myself. ahem.
however, i do have an online pen pal. we used to play a game that was sort of and rpg and sort of fan fiction. we played off of a message board. we each created characters, loosely base off of novels that we both enjoy. we then wrote stories playing off each others writing, sort of like writing a story in roudn robin. for instance, say, i would write a piece of the story, then he would add the next bit of the story with his character responding to what i wrote. it was pretty fun.
to quote you, Ms. Bane:
“…there is no room whatsoever for imagination, creativity, spontaneity, or the ability to say “The hell with this…”
how sad is that?
i think we all need a bit more creativity and imagination in our lives.
so, while, i’ve never played one myself, i find myself siding with you that the pen and paper rpg is supreme.
everything has its merits. i have had g.m.’s that were bastards and made it not fun to play, and i have played games where you couldn’t really enjoy it unless your online(which by the way is not why i would buy a game. it either can stand alone and be played whether or not i have an internet connection or not be bought at all)So ultimately i agree in principle but say to keep your mind open to the fun… and theres fun to be had in both dice and paper, or controllers and powercords.
p.s. we should have a poll and see what rpg’s are everyone’s favourites… (the ones that use dice, and imagination)
or better yet, which of our favourite book series should be turned into an rpg…
This was a really enlightening commentary. It made me think about my various gaming activities in a very different light.
First of all, I should say that while I now play console RPGs, MUD, and MUCK, I am at heart a tabletopper. My Atari 2600 and NES got the usual amount of play from a child with a new, shiny, cutting-edge-of-technology toy (and they still occupy place of pride next to my PS3) but I did not grok roleplay until high school, when I wound up with a tabletop roleplaying book, and had no idea what to do with it. Fortunately a friend at school did – and that was the beginning of the end. Soon every Sunday was devoted to AD&D. When I hit college and found a really, really good GM who ran a story-driven, three-year-long campaign, it turned into twice-weekly sessons. And that’s how it’s gone. Now that I’m an adult – at least nominally – the time I can spend tabletopping is cut down considerably, but it’s my great love in the gaming world. When I think of myself as a gamer, I think of myself primarily as a tabletopper.
But, wait! I said I play “console RPGs.” And I do call them role-playing games, but… this post made me realize that in my mind, a console RPG and a tabletop RPG are two entirely different animals (perhaps the former is the domestic cow to the latter’s American bison). I can’t argue that the former doesn’t allow any of the actual creative input that the latter does. It’s story driven, but the story is confined and contained. Playing a console RPG is like reading a very labor-intensive book, and there is a definite charm in that for any of us who enjoy stories. Playing a tabletop RPG is like writing the book with five or six of your friends. There are advantages to both, but they are distinctly different species.
And the MMO is still another different species. Possibly one from Madagascar, that nobody has ever seen before, with outrageous colors and enormous eyes, and too many limbs for us to really believe it’s from earth. I am not dissing MMOs. I don’t play MMOs because I know they’d eat my soul, not because I am philosophically opposed. But I do think that MMO players who never take a step back to visit the MMO progenitor, classic tabletop roleplaying, are missing out on something grand.
I have the same response when someone tries to tell me how they love RPGs, and then talks about things like WoW or Fable or Fallout. I enjoy computer RPGS from time to time, and I used to play MUDs back in the day, but it’s not the same thing. No computer can give me an experience that’s as fun as sitting around a table with my friends, coming up with our own stories, solving each others puzzles, and laughing at each others jokes. Final Fantasy XII may have sucked up 100 hours of my time, but I didn’t get any stories about when my cleric got thrown at a lich- you had to be there, it was a sound tactical move- or when we had to blow up a museum to get rid of a bunch of vampires or any of a hundred other stories that make me laugh.
Pretty pictures and nice music are nice, but they aren’t nearly as great as having hours of stories and inside jokes to talk to friends about.
I, too, grew up with the “Original” rpg’s, and they, to me, are still the best. I have tried to play some of the online games (my little brother is a huge online player), but they just don’t hold the same fascination for me. There is something truly magical about not only interacting with, but being in the same room as, other people. To me, the social interaction is just as important as the game, and in the “digital world” you lose that. (Please don’t tell anyone I ever said that – I am an IT Manager!!!)
I don’t think I’ve heard of too many MMO gamers refer to themselves as RPG Gamers. They tend to speak mainly in the terms of mmorpg or just shorten it to MMO which doesn’t really rile up any past feelings of fondness I have for my pen and paper RPG Days.
RPG’s where something I originally picked up from my brother, but when he stopped playing I kept going. Unfortunately I no longer get a chance to do actual table top rpg gaming. So MMO’s (when I have time) tend to fill that void a bit.
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Thank you for sharing your pov. I agree that rpg’s are far more mailable than a computer game, but sometimes it just nice to pick up a controller and kill some S**t and not have to think while venting a hard days work. and you can get killed any number of times and just pick up where you left off when you hit the restart button. no emotional investment required.
i don’t know what MUDDs, MMOs, WoW, or IMHO are.
the closest rpg game i have played is fable2 for xbox360, which i love, but i have never played in on xbox live. but i can totally see your point about limited creativity. i mean, there are tons of things i’d love my fable hero to do…but she can’t. which is a major bummer.
i have never played a pen and paper rgp either.
i’d like to; but the drawback to this is that none of my friends are as nerdy or as geeky as i am. your imagery of everyone sitting around the table laughing and killing is a powerful one, but i’d be sitting at the table, uh, playing with myself. ahem.
however, i do have an online pen pal. we used to play a game that was sort of and rpg and sort of fan fiction. we played off of a message board. we each created characters, loosely base off of novels that we both enjoy. we then wrote stories playing off each others writing, sort of like writing a story in roudn robin. for instance, say, i would write a piece of the story, then he would add the next bit of the story with his character responding to what i wrote. it was pretty fun.
to quote you, Ms. Bane:
“…there is no room whatsoever for imagination, creativity, spontaneity, or the ability to say “The hell with this…”
how sad is that?
i think we all need a bit more creativity and imagination in our lives.
so, while, i’ve never played one myself, i find myself siding with you that the pen and paper rpg is supreme.
everything has its merits. i have had g.m.’s that were bastards and made it not fun to play, and i have played games where you couldn’t really enjoy it unless your online(which by the way is not why i would buy a game. it either can stand alone and be played whether or not i have an internet connection or not be bought at all)So ultimately i agree in principle but say to keep your mind open to the fun… and theres fun to be had in both dice and paper, or controllers and powercords.
p.s. we should have a poll and see what rpg’s are everyone’s favourites… (the ones that use dice, and imagination)
or better yet, which of our favourite book series should be turned into an rpg…
This was a really enlightening commentary. It made me think about my various gaming activities in a very different light.
First of all, I should say that while I now play console RPGs, MUD, and MUCK, I am at heart a tabletopper. My Atari 2600 and NES got the usual amount of play from a child with a new, shiny, cutting-edge-of-technology toy (and they still occupy place of pride next to my PS3) but I did not grok roleplay until high school, when I wound up with a tabletop roleplaying book, and had no idea what to do with it. Fortunately a friend at school did – and that was the beginning of the end. Soon every Sunday was devoted to AD&D. When I hit college and found a really, really good GM who ran a story-driven, three-year-long campaign, it turned into twice-weekly sessons. And that’s how it’s gone. Now that I’m an adult – at least nominally – the time I can spend tabletopping is cut down considerably, but it’s my great love in the gaming world. When I think of myself as a gamer, I think of myself primarily as a tabletopper.
But, wait! I said I play “console RPGs.” And I do call them role-playing games, but… this post made me realize that in my mind, a console RPG and a tabletop RPG are two entirely different animals (perhaps the former is the domestic cow to the latter’s American bison). I can’t argue that the former doesn’t allow any of the actual creative input that the latter does. It’s story driven, but the story is confined and contained. Playing a console RPG is like reading a very labor-intensive book, and there is a definite charm in that for any of us who enjoy stories. Playing a tabletop RPG is like writing the book with five or six of your friends. There are advantages to both, but they are distinctly different species.
And the MMO is still another different species. Possibly one from Madagascar, that nobody has ever seen before, with outrageous colors and enormous eyes, and too many limbs for us to really believe it’s from earth. I am not dissing MMOs. I don’t play MMOs because I know they’d eat my soul, not because I am philosophically opposed. But I do think that MMO players who never take a step back to visit the MMO progenitor, classic tabletop roleplaying, are missing out on something grand.
I have the same response when someone tries to tell me how they love RPGs, and then talks about things like WoW or Fable or Fallout. I enjoy computer RPGS from time to time, and I used to play MUDs back in the day, but it’s not the same thing. No computer can give me an experience that’s as fun as sitting around a table with my friends, coming up with our own stories, solving each others puzzles, and laughing at each others jokes. Final Fantasy XII may have sucked up 100 hours of my time, but I didn’t get any stories about when my cleric got thrown at a lich- you had to be there, it was a sound tactical move- or when we had to blow up a museum to get rid of a bunch of vampires or any of a hundred other stories that make me laugh.
Pretty pictures and nice music are nice, but they aren’t nearly as great as having hours of stories and inside jokes to talk to friends about.
I, too, grew up with the “Original” rpg’s, and they, to me, are still the best. I have tried to play some of the online games (my little brother is a huge online player), but they just don’t hold the same fascination for me. There is something truly magical about not only interacting with, but being in the same room as, other people. To me, the social interaction is just as important as the game, and in the “digital world” you lose that. (Please don’t tell anyone I ever said that – I am an IT Manager!!!)
I don’t think I’ve heard of too many MMO gamers refer to themselves as RPG Gamers. They tend to speak mainly in the terms of mmorpg or just shorten it to MMO which doesn’t really rile up any past feelings of fondness I have for my pen and paper RPG Days.
RPG’s where something I originally picked up from my brother, but when he stopped playing I kept going. Unfortunately I no longer get a chance to do actual table top rpg gaming. So MMO’s (when I have time) tend to fill that void a bit.
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